What is the “Red Pill” exactly? LeeLee in Babylon put up a post recently titled “Red Pill Doubts” where she expresses her growing doubts about the validity and healthiness of the Red Pill message that earlier she was highly attached to. As she wrote in her article:
“I can’t refuse to see how many of the women around me actually are, how they in no way approximate the dire descriptions of female nature found on Red Pill twitter or the Manosphere. I can’t refuse to see how they sacrifice their bodies, dreams, ambitions for their families. I can’t not see how devoted so many of the women around me are to serving, loving and respecting their husbands, often at great personal cost.”
I think what LeeLee is confused by is the fact that the conservative Christian women that she is choosing to befriend do not fit with the anti-female stereotypes promoted by the Red Pill that ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT due to their hypergamous solipsistic female nature. The Red Pill message does not allow for truly good women to exist because supposedly women are naturally by biological necessity selfish and manipulative and only out for themselves.
I think what LeeLee needs to understand is that the Red Pill is not Christian, even Christian Manosphere types like Dalrock are not Christian in their presentation style or focus. In addition the Red Pill is isolated from high functioning Christian communities and they themselves do not “measure up” to what a conservative Christian woman would seek and want from a man. So in the Red Pill world it may well be that “All Women Are Like That” (AWALT) or at least they as men are not able to differentiate the good women from the bad women so to be on the safe side they defensively view all women as being potentially dangerous just to keep their guard up. Even worse if a Red Pill man did meet with a truly good woman that woman would reject him because he didn’t measure up to her standards so the woman who truly is such a superior woman isn’t available to him anyways.
The Red Pill is what I would call Stage 2 of the secular development of patriarchy; Stage 1 being “true gender equality” obsessed Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs). Stage 3 secular development of patriarchy would be based on men seeing themselves as having objective duties and obligations towards women. Stage 4 secular development of patriarchy would be based on men seeing themselves as primarily serving and obeying God and their God defined gender roles as men. The Red Pill is “sort of” patriarchal or “a little bit” patriarchal; it has a long way to go however before it reaches high functioning high contribution patriarchy.
LeeLee in her post wrote:
“Okay, what I’m thinking right now is this – the Red Pill is like one of those 12 inch wooden rulers they give you in first grade. It’s true and it’s right and it’s good – but it’s not the only way of measuring something. If you try to measure the width of a ball with it, you won’t understand the ball very accurately. If you try to measure your bodyweight with it, you’ll be left in the dark. It’s good, but you need to be able to measure in other ways.”
The Red Pill understands its own world, the world of secular liberal feminism, very well from its own rather warped male centric mindset. The Red Pill is “truth” for an amoral man trying to have sex with or form relationships with amoral women. In that context the Red Pill is very utilitarian and useful and explains a lot of otherwise mysterious behavior from women. The Red Pill however is not very useful in trying to put together a moral purpose for your life or in learning how to treat women well. The Red Pill also assumes that one is living in a world without God, without externally imposed obligations to follow. It is just assumed that the man is only out for himself and that the woman is only out for herself. The Red Pill pretends that this kind of Godless existence is true for everyone by necessity due to biological programming or evolutionary psychology and that therefore AWALT; in this way missing the reality of the good Christian women sacrificing for their husbands and their families that LeeLee describes interacting with first hand.
The Red Pill is morally corrupted, morally corrupted in that it presupposes a kind of amoral selfishly oriented starting point. In this way even the truths that the Red Pill teaches are truths presented in a morally dysfunctional way; it is knowledge of human psychology and female nature to use as you see fit, for good or for bad. Knowledge without a moral grounding or wider moral context. Utilitarian knowledge separated from any kind of Godly purpose.
LeeLee observes in her post:
“I went to a Christian mini-conference for stay at home moms this morning. How do I use the Red Pill to measure my experience sitting through workshop after workshop on putting yourself second, caring for your husband’s needs more, living life as a servant, being thankful and faithful… a group of women got together to put on this event, put the program together for no pay, just to encourage women to be better wives and mothers… tell me, how does that in any way match up with what you read about female nature on the manosphere?
The Red Pill only understands so called “female nature” that is secular and feminist corrupted; of course “Red Pill truths” will miss the Christian mini-conference LeeLee describes because the women involved were not secular or feminist minded. The Red Pill does not understand objective moral duty or obedience to God and so cannot understand or accept that conservative Christian women really are GOOD, really are Godly, really are idealistically oriented in service to others.
Red Pill blogs may pretend that they teach universal truths applicable to all regarding gender relations but the thing is that they don’t have an overriding moral framework to use whatever “truths” they claim for a moral purpose. Another thing is that the Red Pill blogs are in general quite hostile to women assuming that many of women’s bad behaviors are “natural” rather than simply dysfunctional and negatively culturally influenced. Also strangely men are presented as being without sin and without fault, it is just assumed that the man is OK and has it all together and reacts to women reasonably and sensibly and is just doing as he’s been told and that it is the WOMAN that is MESSING EVERYTHING UP!
On this issue of “female nature.” To me “female nature” is something beautiful and good. It is femininity, what I long for most in my life, what I most want to be around and what gives me the most pleasure in life; most fundamentally it is what I am meant to serve as a man. Female nature is what God puts into women to make women women so of course female nature is something good. Does this mean that women are always good and morally superior or something? No, of course not. Women can choose to be bad and women can be influenced or pressured or taught to be bad, just like men can. The thing is that women’s shortcomings or faults are different from so called “female nature.” Female nature itself is something that is good; it is what God put into women for a Godly purpose so that women could fulfill their role and purpose in life as women.
LeeLee in Babylon ended her post with this:
“I guess where I’m at right now is this – I want to love my husband well and raise my kids to lift burdens instead of creating them, and I want to create and offer up more than I consume and I want to do this in intimacy with the people around me.
I don’t want to be a part of something that’s about getting yours and screw the wreckage left in your wake. I get why that’s an attractive message, especially for hurt men who were persuaded to live the unhealthy opposite to that rule for a long time, but I don’t have a place in that, because that’s not what I believe is healthy or wise living.
So that’s where I’m at. I invite you to push back against this, against me. How do I keep one foot in each world? How can I see everything, how can I see clearly and not just one angle, just one measurement, but the whole?”
What LeeLee is expressing here is healthy and good. To put it bluntly she is better than the Red Pill, the Christian community that she is a part of is better than the Red Pill, its vision of life and proper family relationships is more healthy and more moral and indeed more true than what the Red Pill has to offer.
LeeLee can keep one foot in each world; one foot in the Red Pill world and one foot in the Christian world; as long as she understands that the Red Pill is a subculture applicable to the secular feminist world from a Godless vantage point, a world that many many people live in, while the Christian world has truths more applicable to all. The conservative Christian world is more general in its moral applications; the Red Pill world applies to a more limited more dysfunctional sphere.
Regarding this part, “How can I see everything, how can I see clearly and not just one angle, just one measurement, but the whole?” The Red Pill world cannot see the reality of a God centered Christian way of life, the Christian world on the other hand does recognize sin, does understand that one is lost without God to guide you, does understand that there are those without Christ in their lives. In this way I imagine that the conservative Christian world can understand why something like the Red Pill exists in secular culture. So the Red Pill cannot see the reality of the Christian way of life but the conservative Christian can understand how something like the Red Pill can exist in secular culture. In this way Christianity sees the whole while the Red Pill sees only its own limited biased and ultimately unhealthy secular feminist subculture. So the way to see the whole and not just one angle or one measurement is to understand everything from the Christian point of view; the Christian point of view being able to understand itself and being able to understand the Red Pill frame of mind both.