Rollo Tomassi versus Anthony Dream Johnson

Some interesting news hit the manosphere when Rollo Tomassi put up his post “21 Convention Dates Cancellation” on June 2, 2019. Rollo starts out the post saying:

“I’ve got some bad news. Due to some unfortunate misunderstandings and internal conflict within the 21 Convention organization I will no longer be speaking at the Poland or the Orlando dates this year. I have been either been unfairly maligned by this organization through a campaign of disinformation or through some simple misunderstandings and have been cut from the list of speakers.”

Rollo also reported in this post that he had been kicked out of the Red Man Group.

At first the reasons for Rollo being kicked out of the 21 Convention and Red Man Group were very vague and mysterious; Anthony Dream Johnson only releasing this anodyne statement which said in part:

“This removal was made for private conduct unbecoming of a 21 Convention alumni speaker, that we concluded was irreconcilable in regard to his future involvement with the organization and our alumni speaker group surrounding it. Out of respect for my relationship with Rollo, I intend to keep the nature of this offense a private matter.”

Later on the truth came out and the gloves came off:

STATEMENT FROM THE 21 CONVENTION LLC ON REMOVAL OF ROLLO TOMASSI FROM 21 STUDIOS AND ASSOCIATED PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS

The Vichy Male (Pt.1): The Betrayer In Our Midst

The Vichy Male (Pt 2): The Red Man Group Failed Coup & Legal Liability

Rollo Tomassi has not made any counter attacks against Anthony Dream Johnson or said things to defend himself against the accusations made against him to my knowledge.

My basic interpretation of the conflict; that Rollo Tomassi made an effort to gain undue influence over the 21 Convention and the Red Man Group and did things to undermine Anthony Dream Johnson’s authority over the organizations he, Anthony Dream Johnson, created. In response to this Anthony Johnson kicked Rollo Tomassi out so that Rollo could not threaten Anthony Johnson’s control over things anymore.

I am impressed by Anthony Johnson’s actions here, that he didn’t let the great Rollo Tomassi push him around, that he felt powerful and strong enough to take Rollo on. This is making me see Anthony Johnson as a “rising force” in the manosphere.

Anthony Johnson’s claim to fame is that he is founder of the 21 Convention which started out as “The Under 21 Convention” in July 2007 because it was meant as a convention for young men under or around the age of 21; it was a kind of Pick Up Artist how to get women convention with some focus on how to develop relationships with women. Amazingly Anthony Johnson was only 17 years old when he first started working on putting together this “Under 21 Convention” in 2006; the convention then actually taking place for the first time in July 2007. The name of the convention was then changed to “The 21 Convention” in early 2009.

Roosh V started his blogging career at the DC Bachelor website on March 3, 2005.

The Roissy in D.C. blog started on April 9, 2007.

I think Rollo Tomassi got started on the SoSuave forum in 2001 or 2002.

And Anthony Johnson’s 21 Convention got started in July 2007.

All of these big name manosphere pioneers started out as Pick Up Artists; Roosh V and Roissy starting blogs, Rollo contributing to and moderating an internet forum and later starting his own independent website, and Anthony Johnson (as a teenager!) putting together a real life convention.

Rollo Tomassi is a 51 year old (born on April 2, 1968) thinker and philosopher. He seems to be the creator and prime proponent of the ideas of “hypergamy” and the “feminine imperative.” He advocates rather strongly against marriage, that it is a dangerous adventure for a man to embark on. He tells men that they shouldn’t marry until they are 35; that a man should avoid committed relationships until he is at his “sexual market peak” of around 35 years old so that he can maximize his options and his power in relation to women. Rollo Tomassi declares that men love idealistically, women love opportunistically. Rollo moans and groans about the unfairness of men’s “burden of performance.” Rollo has broadened himself a bit seeking to give advice on Red Pill parenting and pursuing writing a book about The Red Pill and religion; though truthfully Rollo Tomassi’s contempt for religion is pretty clear and pretty obvious. Rollo adamantly refuses to “give advice” or pass moral judgments regarding what a man “should” do; Rollo instead sees himself as describing the “truth” of intersexual dynamics and then it is up to the man to use this knowledge as he sees fit.

Anthony Johnson has quite a different persona and quite a different role. He is shockingly young given how prominent he has become, 30 years old (born August 25, 1988). Anthony Johnson sees himself as a leader in the GenderWar on behalf of men, fathers, and destroying feminism; he characterizes feminism as being “the ultimate hate and supremacist movement.” I saw him in a video speaking in admiration of how the men in Poland were unapologetically and naturally masculine and how the women were feminine; seeming to long for a return to such gender polarity in the United States. This being of particular interest to me as it seems to indicate in him a desire to return to traditional gender roles. Anthony Johnson directly says that he hopes to marry and have children in the future; he is currently single and childless. He wears a red cap in the style of the Donald Trump “Make America Great Again” hat but instead the cap says “Make Women Great Again.” As part of his 21 Convention series he put on a special “Patriarch Edition” of the 21 Convention aimed specifically at married men and fathers in Spring 2019. He plans to launch The 22 Convention in Spring 2020 aimed directly at women; all men speakers speaking to a female audience with the goal to “Make Women Great Again.”

Anthony Johnson doesn’t seem to be a creator of new ideas or new theories; he politely and supportively tends to agree with the person he is talking with or the group dynamic he is a part of, he is tolerant of different aspects of the manosphere, different perspectives and different emphases different speakers have, he is also tolerant of traditionalist attitudes, more conventional gender roles, religious ways of thinking about men’s purpose as men. He is stridently opposed to any notions of “gender equality,” the man being dominant as a man being very prominent in what the speakers he promotes emphasize.

Anthony Johnson has collected a huge number of presenters and contributors to his various 21 Conventions and he has the Red Man Group regularly putting out new content on Youtube. This is Anthony Johnson’s full time job, organizing and putting together these various manosphere contributions in a centralized way; all sorts of advice regarding how to form relationships with women and how to perform in relationships with women and how to succeed as a father is on offer.

Let’s be real; I think Anthony Johnson has Rollo Tomassi beat. The 21 Studios umbrella has a wider variety of content, it is more accepting of ideological differences, it is more focused on socially constructive content such as marriage and fatherhood and how to succeed in long term relationships with women and valuing women’s feminine contributions to the family, and it is tolerant of traditionalist religious “tradcon” perspectives.

Still, “lecturing” men on their responsibilities and duties as men is very weak. Actually telling men what they “should” do as men isn’t approached much. There is talk about ones ability to contribute to others and be a good man and be proud to be a man but it seems largely left to the man to decide more specifically how he is to be a man and what his goals as a man should be; the idea that there is a general template that all men should approximate in their duties and obligations as husbands and fathers seems to be missing, indeed there seems to be no assumption that men as a general rule should get married at all; it being simply up to the man to decide whether he wants to follow the married path.

There is the annoying acceptance and normalization of promiscuity, though at the same time arguments against promiscuity and pornography are tolerated.

The emphasis seems to be on developing a masculine persona, not on fulfilling or acting out masculine duties. You should have the style and the presence and attitude of a man, and then use your power as a man however you want, and it’s really awesome to be a good man and perform well as a husband and father to make things good for the next generation; that seems to be the idea. In reality however there are specific and real duties a man needs to follow to be a good and successful man that sets things up well for the next generation. This is where OBEDIENCE TO GOD comes in; obedience to God can’t be avoided; simply being manly and dominant isn’t enough.

Also, of course, the absence of any mention that MEN HAVE A DUTY TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THEIR WIVES bothers me. You can’t have successful multigenerational family life with married women in the workforce!

Still, despite these criticisms, this 21 Convention material is the best I’ve ever seen coming out of the manosphere on a large scale and the fact that they are tolerant of traditionalist views makes me optimistic that they will be able to move in a more traditionalist direction over time as people become more skilled and more functional in their family behaviors in the manosphere.

 
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About Jesse Powell TFA

Anti-Feminist, MRA, Pro-Traditional Women's Rights Traditional Family Activist (TFA)
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3 Responses to Rollo Tomassi versus Anthony Dream Johnson

  1. I find good in both “camps”. I don’t encourage anyone to pick a side in the schism. I just wish that both sides could eventually be gentlemanly towards each other, that and they could use it as an opportunity to work hard/create “increasing” content/highlight new talent.
    (Thank you for highlighting this event and your article)

  2. 7817 says:

    Rollo Tomassi has not made any counter attacks against Anthony Dream Johnson or said things to defend himself against the accusations made against him to my knowledge.

    Rollo put out a screenshot of a private message showing that A. Johnson was asking Rollo to be CEO of Red Man Group in February. Hard to have a coup if Anthony is the one that is putting Rollo in as leader in February.

    My basic interpretation of the conflict; that Rollo Tomassi made an effort to gain undue influence over the 21 Convention and the Red Man Group and did things to undermine Anthony Dream Johnson’s authority over the organizations he, Anthony Dream Johnson, created.

    Rich Cooper, Rollo, and Anthony created the Red Man Group together, each controlling a third of the LLC. This has been documented. Anthony did not create Red Man Group anymore than Rollo and Rich did.

    Rollo moans and groans about the unfairness of men’s “burden of performance.”

    This is not true. Here is a quote from Rollo’s essay The Burden of Performance: “After reading this I tried to imagine myself being a recently unplugged man or a guy just coming to terms with the uncomfortable truths of the red pill and learning that all of the comforting “just be yourself and the right girl will come along” rhetoric everyone convinced me of had been replaced by a disingenuous need to transform oneself into a cartoon character in order to hold the attentions of an average girl.”

    Another quote: “Like it or not, play it or not, as a man you will always be evaluated on your performance (or the perception of it).”

    Another quote: “The simple fact is that you must actually be your performance – it must be internalized. In truth, you already are that performance…”

    Another quote: “What I’m driving at here is that after reading all of this you might think I’m saying you need to be superhuman to qualify for women’s performance standards, and again that’s kind of depressing – that’s not what I’m getting at.”

    Anyone interested in the truth, go read the article. He’s not moaning and groaning, he’s giving information.

    Rollo Tomassi’s contempt for religion is pretty clear and pretty obvious.

    I am a Christian, and I also have contempt for religious people who lie about what a man ought to do to love a woman, or how a woman is more innately righteous than a man.

    Rollo adamantly refuses to “give advice” or pass moral judgments regarding what a man “should” do; Rollo instead sees himself as describing the “truth” of intersexual dynamics and then it is up to the man to use this knowledge as he sees fit.

    This is how he has reached so many people with the truth. Simple truth, not preaching.

    Lying about Rollo undermines your whole effort here. If you can’t tell the truth, why pretend to care about religious imperatives so much?

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